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	<title>Comments on: Feminist Critique of Romance: Ur Doin It Wrong (&#8220;The Barrister&#8217;s Bedmate, by Rochelle Hurst&#8221;)</title>
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		<title>By: Peltier Cooler :</title>
		<link>http://www.readreactreview.com/2010/02/10/feminist-critique-of-romance-ur-doin-it-wrong/#comment-10336</link>
		<dc:creator>Peltier Cooler :</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Oct 2010 10:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think that using flat irons with solid ceramic heater cores is the best.`;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think that using flat irons with solid ceramic heater cores is the best.`;</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jessica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 18:04:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-7437&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Gail D.&lt;/a&gt;: Thanks Gail. I am on spring break beginning Monday and plan to send an email to the editor early next week. Will keep you updated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-7437" rel="nofollow">Gail D.</a>: Thanks Gail. I am on spring break beginning Monday and plan to send an email to the editor early next week. Will keep you updated.</p>
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		<title>By: Gail D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gail D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 17:27:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d be very interested in hearing about follow-ups to this. :)</description>
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		<title>By: Merrian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Merrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 06:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been off computors for a couple of days and just wanted to add another thought.  She contrasts chick lit as being about the hunt for the one and romance as the desire for relationship.  Isn&#039;t the chick lit then about the commodication of the other? He is just another thing to add to the consumerist collection the chick is making.  Where for me relationship and love are about he desire for connection.  So we have thought base versus feeling base and I always thinking of thought base as more true to the m ale approach to relationships....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been off computors for a couple of days and just wanted to add another thought.  She contrasts chick lit as being about the hunt for the one and romance as the desire for relationship.  Isn&#8217;t the chick lit then about the commodication of the other? He is just another thing to add to the consumerist collection the chick is making.  Where for me relationship and love are about he desire for connection.  So we have thought base versus feeling base and I always thinking of thought base as more true to the m ale approach to relationships&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jessica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 19:06:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always think of Irigaray when I read &quot;will it fit?&quot; when the heroine sees the hero&#039;s penis for the first time. I have been meaning to do a post on it for ages.

ironically that awful Excstasy book I reviewed had the hero wondering &quot;will it fit?&quot; and the heroine, a nurses, saying &quot;of course it will. babies fir through there.&quot; It was the only lick of sense in that dreadful book.

I love Irigaray, even though French psychoanalytic feminism is so 1980s.I&#039;m glad I still get to engage with her by teaching it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always think of Irigaray when I read &#8220;will it fit?&#8221; when the heroine sees the hero&#8217;s penis for the first time. I have been meaning to do a post on it for ages.</p>
<p>ironically that awful Excstasy book I reviewed had the hero wondering &#8220;will it fit?&#8221; and the heroine, a nurses, saying &#8220;of course it will. babies fir through there.&#8221; It was the only lick of sense in that dreadful book.</p>
<p>I love Irigaray, even though French psychoanalytic feminism is so 1980s.I&#8217;m glad I still get to engage with her by teaching it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jane Halsall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jane Halsall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 22:08:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting reading. And here is poor old humble librarian me who just loves the sci-fi romance of Lois McMasters Bujold and Linnea Sinclair where the protagonists are on equal enough footing professionally, emotionally, and intellectually. And I love Peter Whimsey/Harriet Vane and Laurie R. King&#039;s Mary Russell , the love of a more wise Sherlock Holmes - who just proves someone&#039;s famous remark about mysteries being the thinking woman&#039;s romance.

And because ultimately it&#039;s about what moves you as a reader about a couple, what books you go backand reread, who you remember and want to be like or want to meet someone like the men they meet. I&#039;ve just been blow away lately by Joanna Bourne&#039;s The Spymaster&#039;s Lady that had a cover that appears to be advertising the virtues of a highly conditioned male chest - a cover that hid one of the best times I&#039;ve had with a historical fiction romance in many a year. Talk about your unexpected heroine! And yes, this is about scholarship but it is also about great reads.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting reading. And here is poor old humble librarian me who just loves the sci-fi romance of Lois McMasters Bujold and Linnea Sinclair where the protagonists are on equal enough footing professionally, emotionally, and intellectually. And I love Peter Whimsey/Harriet Vane and Laurie R. King&#8217;s Mary Russell , the love of a more wise Sherlock Holmes &#8211; who just proves someone&#8217;s famous remark about mysteries being the thinking woman&#8217;s romance.</p>
<p>And because ultimately it&#8217;s about what moves you as a reader about a couple, what books you go backand reread, who you remember and want to be like or want to meet someone like the men they meet. I&#8217;ve just been blow away lately by Joanna Bourne&#8217;s The Spymaster&#8217;s Lady that had a cover that appears to be advertising the virtues of a highly conditioned male chest &#8211; a cover that hid one of the best times I&#8217;ve had with a historical fiction romance in many a year. Talk about your unexpected heroine! And yes, this is about scholarship but it is also about great reads.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2010 19:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The one feminist scholar who seems to have been forgotten but who I think is incredibly relevant here is Luce Irigaray (http://www.iep.utm.edu/irigaray/), whose rejection of Freudian and Lacanian phallocentrism is IMO so useful when talking about Romance fiction. Even though I tend to reject her essentialist leanings, I think it&#039;s worth engaging with some of her work in Romance scholarship. Which for me means I need to reacquaint myself with her work, since it&#039;s been years since I read her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The one feminist scholar who seems to have been forgotten but who I think is incredibly relevant here is Luce Irigaray (<a href="http://www.iep.utm.edu/irigaray/" rel="nofollow">http://www.iep.utm.edu/irigaray/</a>), whose rejection of Freudian and Lacanian phallocentrism is IMO so useful when talking about Romance fiction. Even though I tend to reject her essentialist leanings, I think it&#8217;s worth engaging with some of her work in Romance scholarship. Which for me means I need to reacquaint myself with her work, since it&#8217;s been years since I read her.</p>
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		<title>By: BevBB</title>
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		<dc:creator>BevBB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2010 14:49:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-7024&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Merrian&lt;/a&gt;: &lt;blockquote&gt;Coincidently, my romance readers book group read an Emma Darcy earlier this year and we all hated it. Finding it old fashioned and not representative of good categories or romance in general. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;ve said many times in the past that the distinction for me is in the attitude found in the books - not the actions. Which explains why I never could get all that worked up over the discussions centering around forced seductions, unless I&#039;d actually read the story in question and the attitude within struck me as wrong. 

Not the actions. 

And the Darcy books are an excellent example of holdover attitudes that people want to believe are gone from romance novels. Well, yeah, they are. From most of them. But there are certain lines, one in particular and we all know which one it is, that aren&#039;t simply reprinting the same books over again. They&#039;re continuing to create new books with many of those same attitudes in them. 

I&#039;m just not sure who the target audience for that line of books are any more. 

So, we can talk about romances having this feminist undercurrent all we want to but even back in the 70s, 80s and even 90s, I&#039;d seen this thread of something that stunk suspiciously of a counter-influence present in some of the stories. I remember thinking way back years ago that a woman couldn&#039;t have written some of the books I was reading and that&#039;s why I stopped reading some of the lines. That is not an insult to male writers. That was simply a suspicion about the attitudes I was seeing in the books. 

So to see someone base even a line of an academic paper about feminism in romance on one of those very authors is more than simply disturbing to me as a longtime romance reader. Misleading would not even be the half of it to me. 

Either learn about the books, all the books, or stop talking about them as if they know anything about them at all. Then I might be able to respect what they have to say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-7024" rel="nofollow">Merrian</a>:<br />
<blockquote>Coincidently, my romance readers book group read an Emma Darcy earlier this year and we all hated it. Finding it old fashioned and not representative of good categories or romance in general. </p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;ve said many times in the past that the distinction for me is in the attitude found in the books &#8211; not the actions. Which explains why I never could get all that worked up over the discussions centering around forced seductions, unless I&#8217;d actually read the story in question and the attitude within struck me as wrong. </p>
<p>Not the actions. </p>
<p>And the Darcy books are an excellent example of holdover attitudes that people want to believe are gone from romance novels. Well, yeah, they are. From most of them. But there are certain lines, one in particular and we all know which one it is, that aren&#8217;t simply reprinting the same books over again. They&#8217;re continuing to create new books with many of those same attitudes in them. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m just not sure who the target audience for that line of books are any more. </p>
<p>So, we can talk about romances having this feminist undercurrent all we want to but even back in the 70s, 80s and even 90s, I&#8217;d seen this thread of something that stunk suspiciously of a counter-influence present in some of the stories. I remember thinking way back years ago that a woman couldn&#8217;t have written some of the books I was reading and that&#8217;s why I stopped reading some of the lines. That is not an insult to male writers. That was simply a suspicion about the attitudes I was seeing in the books. </p>
<p>So to see someone base even a line of an academic paper about feminism in romance on one of those very authors is more than simply disturbing to me as a longtime romance reader. Misleading would not even be the half of it to me. </p>
<p>Either learn about the books, all the books, or stop talking about them as if they know anything about them at all. Then I might be able to respect what they have to say.</p>
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		<title>By: Merrian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Merrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2010 09:52:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love this blog for the thoughtfulness and commitment so ably demosntrated by jessica and Laura. I hope that the journal and author accept the critique in the spirit Eric suggested.  In reading the quotes and analysis of the article I had a creeping thought about class.  Is chick lit acceptable because it is about middle class life and romance not because in it&#039;s dreams and fantasies of bilionaires and dukes it is seen as working class and we working class women always need our consciousness raised by those women who know better....? Just a thought.  I also think she ignores the representation of women in romance as doing a whole range of paid and community work, except may be in the categories?  

Coincidently, my romance readers book group read an Emma Darcy earlier this year and we all hated it. Finding it old fashioned and not representative of good categories or romance in general.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love this blog for the thoughtfulness and commitment so ably demosntrated by jessica and Laura. I hope that the journal and author accept the critique in the spirit Eric suggested.  In reading the quotes and analysis of the article I had a creeping thought about class.  Is chick lit acceptable because it is about middle class life and romance not because in it&#8217;s dreams and fantasies of bilionaires and dukes it is seen as working class and we working class women always need our consciousness raised by those women who know better&#8230;.? Just a thought.  I also think she ignores the representation of women in romance as doing a whole range of paid and community work, except may be in the categories?  </p>
<p>Coincidently, my romance readers book group read an Emma Darcy earlier this year and we all hated it. Finding it old fashioned and not representative of good categories or romance in general.</p>
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		<title>By: Saturday Links of Interest</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 11:50:33 +0000</pubDate>
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