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	<title>Comments on: DNF Reflection: The Palace of Varieties, by James Lear</title>
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		<title>By: Tumperkin</title>
		<link>http://www.readreactreview.com/2009/12/24/dnf-reflection-the-palace-of-varieties-by-james-lear/#comment-6511</link>
		<dc:creator>Tumperkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 20:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, as you know, I &lt;em&gt;loved&lt;/em&gt; this book.  But then we Brits are known to love our smut... *g*

I think there&#039;s a massive instrinsic problem with talking about erotic romance/ erotica which is that readers don&#039;t really want to address the issue of arousal.  At least,&lt;em&gt; I &lt;/em&gt;don&#039;t want to address it, frankly.  And for that reason, I find James Lear&#039;s words refreshing and provocative and difficult.  My natural reaction to your post is to post a comment that &#039;justifies&#039; this book on artistic grounds - and I absolutely do think it is beautifully written book (and incidentally I am sorry you didn&#039;t reach the end because there is a moment of pure romance near the end that I found hugely gratifying).  But the difficulty is that the uncompromising words of Mr Lear make it rather difficult to go through that exercise.  

I have to say that Lear is not the only erotic writer who writes lovely prose and is unapologetic about its purpose.  Kristina Lloyd is a wonderful wonderful writer who writes frankly, persuasively and beautifully on &lt;a href=&quot;http://kristinalloyd.wordpress.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;her blog &lt;/a&gt;about her erotic books.   

I think this may be something I have to consider further given the importance of sex scenes in the genre...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, as you know, I <em>loved</em> this book.  But then we Brits are known to love our smut&#8230; *g*</p>
<p>I think there&#8217;s a massive instrinsic problem with talking about erotic romance/ erotica which is that readers don&#8217;t really want to address the issue of arousal.  At least,<em> I </em>don&#8217;t want to address it, frankly.  And for that reason, I find James Lear&#8217;s words refreshing and provocative and difficult.  My natural reaction to your post is to post a comment that &#8216;justifies&#8217; this book on artistic grounds &#8211; and I absolutely do think it is beautifully written book (and incidentally I am sorry you didn&#8217;t reach the end because there is a moment of pure romance near the end that I found hugely gratifying).  But the difficulty is that the uncompromising words of Mr Lear make it rather difficult to go through that exercise.  </p>
<p>I have to say that Lear is not the only erotic writer who writes lovely prose and is unapologetic about its purpose.  Kristina Lloyd is a wonderful wonderful writer who writes frankly, persuasively and beautifully on <a href="http://kristinalloyd.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">her blog </a>about her erotic books.   </p>
<p>I think this may be something I have to consider further given the importance of sex scenes in the genre&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jill Sorenson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jill Sorenson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Dec 2009 15:59:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm.  I don&#039;t see a big difference.  I mean, who cares what a reader does when they&#039;re aroused?  I don&#039;t really want to know.  

It seems kind of sweet when someone says they snuggled up to their husband after reading a hot book, but so what if they, you know, snuggle up with themselves?

This discussion reminds me of a few review sites that rate books based on levels of reader arousal.  I&#039;ve seen &quot;5 vibrators&quot; or &quot;wet panties.&quot;  TMI, people!  

I have nothing against Mr. Lear&#039;s frankness, or using erotic material to aide masturbation.  I guess I just don&#039;t want to know the specific details.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm.  I don&#8217;t see a big difference.  I mean, who cares what a reader does when they&#8217;re aroused?  I don&#8217;t really want to know.  </p>
<p>It seems kind of sweet when someone says they snuggled up to their husband after reading a hot book, but so what if they, you know, snuggle up with themselves?</p>
<p>This discussion reminds me of a few review sites that rate books based on levels of reader arousal.  I&#8217;ve seen &#8220;5 vibrators&#8221; or &#8220;wet panties.&#8221;  TMI, people!  </p>
<p>I have nothing against Mr. Lear&#8217;s frankness, or using erotic material to aide masturbation.  I guess I just don&#8217;t want to know the specific details.</p>
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		<title>By: AllyBlue</title>
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		<dc:creator>AllyBlue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Dec 2009 22:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually I got the impression that Mr. Lear was the one who might have a bit of trouble telling the difference, not you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually I got the impression that Mr. Lear was the one who might have a bit of trouble telling the difference, not you!</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jessica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Dec 2009 21:33:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sometimes I miss the obvious, and the distinction between being aroused and actually bringing oneself to orgasm escaped me totally while writing this post. there is a difference, thank you for pointing it out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sometimes I miss the obvious, and the distinction between being aroused and actually bringing oneself to orgasm escaped me totally while writing this post. there is a difference, thank you for pointing it out.</p>
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		<title>By: AllyBlue</title>
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		<dc:creator>AllyBlue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Dec 2009 14:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What Jill and Katie said. There is a &lt;i&gt;huge&lt;/i&gt; difference between being swept up in the character&#039;s feelings of arousal and actually getting your hand in there and rubbing one out. Frankly, if I want to do the latter, I&#039;ll get on X-Tube and watch some real porn, not reach for a book.

However explicit it might get, however powerfully it might arouse the reader -- and a good sex scene really should -- erotic romance should ultimately be about much, much more that simply sex. Like Katie said, there should be an emotional connection there. That&#039;s why we read romance, after all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Jill and Katie said. There is a <i>huge</i> difference between being swept up in the character&#8217;s feelings of arousal and actually getting your hand in there and rubbing one out. Frankly, if I want to do the latter, I&#8217;ll get on X-Tube and watch some real porn, not reach for a book.</p>
<p>However explicit it might get, however powerfully it might arouse the reader &#8212; and a good sex scene really should &#8212; erotic romance should ultimately be about much, much more that simply sex. Like Katie said, there should be an emotional connection there. That&#8217;s why we read romance, after all.</p>
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		<title>By: Katie Mack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katie Mack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Dec 2009 00:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been thinking about this subject off and on since I left my last comment. I agree with Jill that, whether it is erotica or erotic romance (I, too, see a distinction), the intent is to arouse. But on the other hand, I don&#039;t believe all readers are reading them with the purpose of finding sexual gratification, as Lear suggests. Arousal, yes. Orgasms? No. Which is why I think there exists at least two groups of readers: those who use the stories as masturbatory aids (seeking sexual gratification), and those who merely want to experience fleeting feelings of arousal.

I also don&#039;t share the view that all erotica and/or erotic romances are &quot;porn.&quot; Porn is generally plotless and the characters devoid of personality and emotion. Whereas with erotic romances, for example, the reader gets into the head of one or more of the characters, experiences their thoughts and emotions, discovers their personality, etc. There&#039;s a depth to them that doesn&#039;t exist in pornography.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been thinking about this subject off and on since I left my last comment. I agree with Jill that, whether it is erotica or erotic romance (I, too, see a distinction), the intent is to arouse. But on the other hand, I don&#8217;t believe all readers are reading them with the purpose of finding sexual gratification, as Lear suggests. Arousal, yes. Orgasms? No. Which is why I think there exists at least two groups of readers: those who use the stories as masturbatory aids (seeking sexual gratification), and those who merely want to experience fleeting feelings of arousal.</p>
<p>I also don&#8217;t share the view that all erotica and/or erotic romances are &#8220;porn.&#8221; Porn is generally plotless and the characters devoid of personality and emotion. Whereas with erotic romances, for example, the reader gets into the head of one or more of the characters, experiences their thoughts and emotions, discovers their personality, etc. There&#8217;s a depth to them that doesn&#8217;t exist in pornography.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill Sorenson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jill Sorenson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 23:31:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve read quite a few offerings from the Spice line, and most of them were erotic romance, not erotica.  While I see a distinction here, I agree that the intent of sexually explicit material (romance focused or not) is to arouse.  At least, that&#039;s what I assume the intent is.  I know that MY intent is titillation when I write sex.  Intimate scenes have other purposes, such as developing the relationship/characters, but they are there to elicit a reaction.  When a heroine is crying, an author wants the reader to feel that pain.  And when a character experiences attraction or pleasure or arousal, there&#039;s no shame in wanting the reader to get caught up in those feelings, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve read quite a few offerings from the Spice line, and most of them were erotic romance, not erotica.  While I see a distinction here, I agree that the intent of sexually explicit material (romance focused or not) is to arouse.  At least, that&#8217;s what I assume the intent is.  I know that MY intent is titillation when I write sex.  Intimate scenes have other purposes, such as developing the relationship/characters, but they are there to elicit a reaction.  When a heroine is crying, an author wants the reader to feel that pain.  And when a character experiences attraction or pleasure or arousal, there&#8217;s no shame in wanting the reader to get caught up in those feelings, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Magdalen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Magdalen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 22:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The two excerpts you included, Jessica, suggest to me (as I&#039;ve not read the book) that although it&#039;s quite explicit, it&#039;s not very sexy.  A guy telling me he&#039;s turned on is not the same as a guy who is turned on.  And first person narrative seems a tough way to convey sexual arousal to a female reader.

Maybe that Ikea-instruction-sheet approach (&quot;insert Tab A into Slot B; repeat with the other seven Tabs...&quot;) does the trick for certain male readers.  (I&#039;ll admit, when I first read your penultimate paragraph, I thought you&#039;d written &quot;knowing wankage&quot; -- which involves manipulating a different part of the body than the eyelid.)  But for me, I&#039;d rather know about what he&#039;s feeling more than what he&#039;s thinking.  And the &quot;Oh, I&#039;m such a slut,&quot; self-congratulation schtick gets very tired very fast.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The two excerpts you included, Jessica, suggest to me (as I&#8217;ve not read the book) that although it&#8217;s quite explicit, it&#8217;s not very sexy.  A guy telling me he&#8217;s turned on is not the same as a guy who is turned on.  And first person narrative seems a tough way to convey sexual arousal to a female reader.</p>
<p>Maybe that Ikea-instruction-sheet approach (&#8220;insert Tab A into Slot B; repeat with the other seven Tabs&#8230;&#8221;) does the trick for certain male readers.  (I&#8217;ll admit, when I first read your penultimate paragraph, I thought you&#8217;d written &#8220;knowing wankage&#8221; &#8212; which involves manipulating a different part of the body than the eyelid.)  But for me, I&#8217;d rather know about what he&#8217;s feeling more than what he&#8217;s thinking.  And the &#8220;Oh, I&#8217;m such a slut,&#8221; self-congratulation schtick gets very tired very fast.</p>
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		<title>By: Katie Mack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katie Mack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 19:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read erotic romances, but tend to avoid general erotic fiction, for the most part. I&#039;ve found that I need there to be some kind of emotional connection between the parties, however small. Emotionless stranger sex just doesn&#039;t work for me. Which is why I gravitate towards those authors who write either erotic romances, or erotic fiction with an emotional connection and optimistic ending, even if the parties don&#039;t stay together.

I think whether or not a reader reads erotica (in its various forms) for sexual pleasure or not, depends upon the reader. Personally, I fall into the group of readers whose primary purpose in reading erotica is not for sexual pleasure -- which, I think, is why I gravitate towards erotic romances. I need there to be more than just sexual gratification between the characters, because &lt;em&gt;I&#039;m&lt;/em&gt; not reading the book for sexual gratification. If there&#039;s nothing else to the story than a purely physical sexual act, I&#039;m just not interested.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read erotic romances, but tend to avoid general erotic fiction, for the most part. I&#8217;ve found that I need there to be some kind of emotional connection between the parties, however small. Emotionless stranger sex just doesn&#8217;t work for me. Which is why I gravitate towards those authors who write either erotic romances, or erotic fiction with an emotional connection and optimistic ending, even if the parties don&#8217;t stay together.</p>
<p>I think whether or not a reader reads erotica (in its various forms) for sexual pleasure or not, depends upon the reader. Personally, I fall into the group of readers whose primary purpose in reading erotica is not for sexual pleasure &#8212; which, I think, is why I gravitate towards erotic romances. I need there to be more than just sexual gratification between the characters, because <em>I&#8217;m</em> not reading the book for sexual gratification. If there&#8217;s nothing else to the story than a purely physical sexual act, I&#8217;m just not interested.</p>
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