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		<title>By: SSOCB</title>
		<link>http://www.readreactreview.com/2009/09/25/what-makes-someone-a-professional-writer/#comment-5101</link>
		<dc:creator>SSOCB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 18:23:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lot has been said about what professionalism means, but no one has addressed the core function of professional governing bodies in regard to careers where you can become a professional.

The most important aspect of professional registration with a governing body is the fact that it implies that you meet certain standards of competency. I’m an engineer, but not a professional engineer. I have not worked in the industry long enough to apply for registration. This does not mean that I am not a good engineer; it means that I am not a professional because I do not meet the requirements regarding experience. Yet.  

Safeguarding professional standards is important when it comes to engineering because if you get it wrong when you design your pressure vessel/pump assembly/ bridge people get killed. The same can not be said about writing fiction so as I see it the whole issue regarding professionalism is moot.

Even if you wanted to there is no way in which the competence of a writer can be quantified and compared to an absolute standard, because writing is an art. Different pieces of art speak in various degrees to different people. (Really excellent engineering design approaches art, but only engineers feel this way about it. :P )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot has been said about what professionalism means, but no one has addressed the core function of professional governing bodies in regard to careers where you can become a professional.</p>
<p>The most important aspect of professional registration with a governing body is the fact that it implies that you meet certain standards of competency. I’m an engineer, but not a professional engineer. I have not worked in the industry long enough to apply for registration. This does not mean that I am not a good engineer; it means that I am not a professional because I do not meet the requirements regarding experience. Yet.  </p>
<p>Safeguarding professional standards is important when it comes to engineering because if you get it wrong when you design your pressure vessel/pump assembly/ bridge people get killed. The same can not be said about writing fiction so as I see it the whole issue regarding professionalism is moot.</p>
<p>Even if you wanted to there is no way in which the competence of a writer can be quantified and compared to an absolute standard, because writing is an art. Different pieces of art speak in various degrees to different people. (Really excellent engineering design approaches art, but only engineers feel this way about it. <img src='http://www.readreactreview.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' />  )</p>
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		<title>By: katiebabs</title>
		<link>http://www.readreactreview.com/2009/09/25/what-makes-someone-a-professional-writer/#comment-4243</link>
		<dc:creator>katiebabs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 21:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the same goes what makes a reviewer professional and another just a reviewer who does it as a hobby.

Some think it depends you are a professional writer if you get paid or are well respected for it.

This year I haven&#039;t sold any of my books but I have written almost everyday and I can say I have written over 100K words.

And I think of myself as a professional writer. Anyone who writes and enjoys it and finds the love in writing is a professional to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the same goes what makes a reviewer professional and another just a reviewer who does it as a hobby.</p>
<p>Some think it depends you are a professional writer if you get paid or are well respected for it.</p>
<p>This year I haven&#8217;t sold any of my books but I have written almost everyday and I can say I have written over 100K words.</p>
<p>And I think of myself as a professional writer. Anyone who writes and enjoys it and finds the love in writing is a professional to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Victoria Janssen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Victoria Janssen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 15:12:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;As you can tell, I rather find the academization/professionalization of art to be a repugnant stench in my nose because by defining art in terms of a profession is a way of keeping out certain genres, groups and styles that certain people feel are not “artistic” or “literary”. &lt;/i&gt;

Angela, you are TOTALLY AWESOME.

That is all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>As you can tell, I rather find the academization/professionalization of art to be a repugnant stench in my nose because by defining art in terms of a profession is a way of keeping out certain genres, groups and styles that certain people feel are not “artistic” or “literary”. </i></p>
<p>Angela, you are TOTALLY AWESOME.</p>
<p>That is all.</p>
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		<title>By: azteclady</title>
		<link>http://www.readreactreview.com/2009/09/25/what-makes-someone-a-professional-writer/#comment-4233</link>
		<dc:creator>azteclady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 01:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the percentage of published writers who actually &quot;make a living&quot; from their published works is so minuscule that, following Janet W&#039;s husband&#039;s definition, professional writers would be &lt;em&gt;rara avis&lt;/em&gt; indeed.

Personally, I like Ann Somerville&#039;s definition best:&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;em&gt;taking it seriously, to the exclusion of all other optional activities&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the percentage of published writers who actually &#8220;make a living&#8221; from their published works is so minuscule that, following Janet W&#8217;s husband&#8217;s definition, professional writers would be <em>rara avis</em> indeed.</p>
<p>Personally, I like Ann Somerville&#8217;s definition best:<br />
<blockquote><em>taking it seriously, to the exclusion of all other optional activities</em></p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Sherry Thomas</title>
		<link>http://www.readreactreview.com/2009/09/25/what-makes-someone-a-professional-writer/#comment-4232</link>
		<dc:creator>Sherry Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 00:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Romfail

I have no problem with romfail whatsoever.  I sat through Battlefield Earth--I wanted to leave halfway, but had to see just how crazy bad it could be.  Ever since then, I have never neglected to use it as an example of the Worst Movie Ever.

And I do it with perfect knowledge that it was a work of love for John Travolta.

As long as a reader went into a book with an open mind, she can express whatever resultant honest opinion she has afterwards.  

Re: Professional vs nonprofessional or pre-professional

Was I a better writer the day after I got a contract than I was the day before?  Don&#039;t think so.  It&#039;s just that now somebody is willing to pay me for my work.  That&#039;s all.

And @Magdalen,

Not sure whether men see each other in the loo, certainly the husband has never come home to say woo, so-and-so at work has a tiny pecker.  But I do think there is a lot of validity there in that a minimally-endowed man might have certain issues that a reasonably-endowed one just doesn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Romfail</p>
<p>I have no problem with romfail whatsoever.  I sat through Battlefield Earth&#8211;I wanted to leave halfway, but had to see just how crazy bad it could be.  Ever since then, I have never neglected to use it as an example of the Worst Movie Ever.</p>
<p>And I do it with perfect knowledge that it was a work of love for John Travolta.</p>
<p>As long as a reader went into a book with an open mind, she can express whatever resultant honest opinion she has afterwards.  </p>
<p>Re: Professional vs nonprofessional or pre-professional</p>
<p>Was I a better writer the day after I got a contract than I was the day before?  Don&#8217;t think so.  It&#8217;s just that now somebody is willing to pay me for my work.  That&#8217;s all.</p>
<p>And @Magdalen,</p>
<p>Not sure whether men see each other in the loo, certainly the husband has never come home to say woo, so-and-so at work has a tiny pecker.  But I do think there is a lot of validity there in that a minimally-endowed man might have certain issues that a reasonably-endowed one just doesn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Janet W</title>
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		<dc:creator>Janet W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 22:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL Lusty Reader ... I cannot wait for the discussion that ensues when Mary Balogh&#039;s Precious Jewel is re-issued because Pris = real working girl. No one night stand leading to marrying the duke the next day.

OK, I can&#039;t decide where I come down on this -- personally, wearing my RL hat, a lot of it comes down to what you do and what you do well. But I asked my dh, who is a consulting professional with a string of letters after his name, what he thought ... and he said (paraphrasing a bit) ...

A professional writer makes his or her living from her writing. A published author is not necessarily a professional writer. He used the example of one of my dd&#039;s English teachers -- the gentleman she had write one of her college recs. He has a couple published books under his belt but he makes his living as a teacher. My dh mentioned: jingle writers, newspaper reporters ... yadda yadda: people who make their living with the words they write. And I asked about his profession (actuary) and he said in his opinion, what&#039;s relevant is whether or not you&#039;re a practicing whatever. Yet another opinion!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL Lusty Reader &#8230; I cannot wait for the discussion that ensues when Mary Balogh&#8217;s Precious Jewel is re-issued because Pris = real working girl. No one night stand leading to marrying the duke the next day.</p>
<p>OK, I can&#8217;t decide where I come down on this &#8212; personally, wearing my RL hat, a lot of it comes down to what you do and what you do well. But I asked my dh, who is a consulting professional with a string of letters after his name, what he thought &#8230; and he said (paraphrasing a bit) &#8230;</p>
<p>A professional writer makes his or her living from her writing. A published author is not necessarily a professional writer. He used the example of one of my dd&#8217;s English teachers &#8212; the gentleman she had write one of her college recs. He has a couple published books under his belt but he makes his living as a teacher. My dh mentioned: jingle writers, newspaper reporters &#8230; yadda yadda: people who make their living with the words they write. And I asked about his profession (actuary) and he said in his opinion, what&#8217;s relevant is whether or not you&#8217;re a practicing whatever. Yet another opinion!</p>
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		<title>By: Heloise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heloise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 19:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point about hobbyist vs. amateur.  As a hobbyist romance writer (I just don&#039;t think 3000 words and two days at it gives me the right to claim I&#039;m a &#039;writer&#039;) I do think a distinction can/should be made between me and someone&#039;s who has put in the time to finish a manuscript or two.  And I do believe putting emphasis on the published vs unpublished distinction smacks of elitism.

No offense but this comment thread is in some ways more interesting than the original post. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point about hobbyist vs. amateur.  As a hobbyist romance writer (I just don&#8217;t think 3000 words and two days at it gives me the right to claim I&#8217;m a &#8216;writer&#8217;) I do think a distinction can/should be made between me and someone&#8217;s who has put in the time to finish a manuscript or two.  And I do believe putting emphasis on the published vs unpublished distinction smacks of elitism.</p>
<p>No offense but this comment thread is in some ways more interesting than the original post. <img src='http://www.readreactreview.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Robin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 19:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;@ azteclady&lt;/b&gt;: I think it depends on the writer. Michael Chabon, for example, has won both the Hugo and the Pulitzer, and while trained in one of the most exclusive MFA programs in the country, is writing what I&#039;d call literary genre fiction. Also, he has recently released a book of essays called &lt;em&gt;Maps and Legends: Reading and Writing Along the Borderlands&lt;/em&gt;. 

More generally, though, I&#039;ve seen the putting down on both sides; in fact, probably because of the vagaries of my own community immersion these days, I&#039;ve lately seen more active insults from genre fiction authors and readers toward lit fic and its writers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>@ azteclady</b>: I think it depends on the writer. Michael Chabon, for example, has won both the Hugo and the Pulitzer, and while trained in one of the most exclusive MFA programs in the country, is writing what I&#8217;d call literary genre fiction. Also, he has recently released a book of essays called <em>Maps and Legends: Reading and Writing Along the Borderlands</em>. </p>
<p>More generally, though, I&#8217;ve seen the putting down on both sides; in fact, probably because of the vagaries of my own community immersion these days, I&#8217;ve lately seen more active insults from genre fiction authors and readers toward lit fic and its writers.</p>
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		<title>By: Lusty Reader</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lusty Reader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 17:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>since everyone else made thought provoking comments on this very insightful post, can i just be the immature one for a very teeny tiny minute?

When you said, &quot; The three original professions...&quot; &lt;strong&gt;you forgot the &lt;em&gt;oldest&lt;/em&gt; profession!&lt;/strong&gt; You know, the one that can be made lying down?
0_0

sorry, but it had to be said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>since everyone else made thought provoking comments on this very insightful post, can i just be the immature one for a very teeny tiny minute?</p>
<p>When you said, &#8221; The three original professions&#8230;&#8221; <strong>you forgot the <em>oldest</em> profession!</strong> You know, the one that can be made lying down?<br />
0_0</p>
<p>sorry, but it had to be said.</p>
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		<title>By: azteclady</title>
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		<dc:creator>azteclady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 15:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the prestige of being amateur vs professional tangent...

I find it interesting that this is brought up by romance genre authors. After all, don&#039;t the &quot;literary fiction&quot; authors, who usually make way less money (as a group and individually), look down on those writing commercial &quot;trash&quot;? (Like those Regency gentlemen who wouldn&#039;t lower themselves to work)

It&#039;s a bit like the lowest rung in the social ladder looking for someone to put down--it doesn&#039;t bring &lt;em&gt;them &lt;/em&gt;up a rung, but at least there&#039;s something under their feet.

I don&#039;t know if that makes sense...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the prestige of being amateur vs professional tangent&#8230;</p>
<p>I find it interesting that this is brought up by romance genre authors. After all, don&#8217;t the &#8220;literary fiction&#8221; authors, who usually make way less money (as a group and individually), look down on those writing commercial &#8220;trash&#8221;? (Like those Regency gentlemen who wouldn&#8217;t lower themselves to work)</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a bit like the lowest rung in the social ladder looking for someone to put down&#8211;it doesn&#8217;t bring <em>them </em>up a rung, but at least there&#8217;s something under their feet.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if that makes sense&#8230;</p>
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