Do you recall the criticism of #romfail a while back? I couldn’t be arsed about #romfail, but there was one thread in the commentary that got me thinking. One published author visited an aspiring author’s blog and called her a “HOBBYIST” (all caps) because she hadn’t sold any novels. He complained that unlike other professions, in fiction, all one has to do is say they’re a writer, and poof they are.
On another blog, a published romance novelist, wrote something like, “I think RWA has done more to give people the idea that they are writers than any other single group. The label pre-published and the PRO designation in RWA drive me nuts. You aren’t pre-published any more than you’re pre-pregnant or pre-dead. And you’re not a pro until you’ve been published. Period.”
It really doesn’t matter who said these things, because I am betting their views are shared by a number of people. This post isn’t about them, but about certain ideas of what makes a writer a professional.
For those of you, who, like me, are not RWA members (maybe we’re all pre-members, though?), PRO membership is for folks who
Well, this got me thinking about professions, professionalism and writing.
The three original professions, the “learned professions” were medicine, law and ministry. Sometimes a few others — the military, academia, and architecture — were included. These occupations were granted special status because they required a high degree of education, and were considered very important in satisfying basic human needs.
Using something they call “research”, sociologists today list a number of defining features of a profession, such as
- status conferring
- organized
- autonomous, both the profession as a group and individual practitioners (this is the criterion that makes many people exclude the military)
- the group has societal influence
- self-regulating
- collegial
- client focused
- non-commercial
- has an ethical code
Another way of defining a profession is to look at its history, to see if it has gone through a set of required stages, such as establishing academic programs, seeking political and legal support for recognition and entry barriers, developing a code of ethics, credentialing and licensing, etc. This method allows one to identify different stages of professionalization, rather than the “all or nothing” classification system above.
A third approach is one favored by ethicists, and mocked by social scientists. Naturally, it is the approach I favor, although you will see it referred to as “quaint” and “old fashioned” if you read the sociology journals.
On this view, the core of a profession is not so much the special expertise, but the dedication to something other than one’s own self-interest. For doctors, it’s obviously their patients. For lawyers, their clients, and for ministers, their parishioners. To “profess” means “to declare aloud”, “to publicly proclaim”. This is why the OED refers to a profession as a “calling”. When you proclaim, you are answering a call of others, not your own needs exclusively. What professionals proclaim is not just their knowledge of medicine or law, for example, but their dedication to altruism, to putting the welfare of those they serve first. These people are “professed”, i.e. publicly committed to a certain ethical ideal. When med school grads say the Hippocratic Oath, they are making this kind of “profession”.
Several virtues, or good character traits, help to define a professional in this sense. We have already mentioned (or implied) altruism, self-regulation, lifelong learning, and submission to an ethical code. There is also accountability, respect, integrity, honesty, excellence, compassion, responsibility, honor, and duty, not just as a human being per se, but while practicing as a member of a profession.
I really don’t see writers as professionals in this sense. Of course, I think art has as important place in a human community as health or law, but the relationship of a writer to her readers is not best characterized in terms of fiduciary duty. In fact, if anything, the more a writer thinks of her audience, the less successful the writing is apt to be.
One problem with this approach is how apolitical it is. It can tend to obscure the ways that even the learned professions are commercial and self-interested, and utilize privileged social positions (who were the original lawyers, doctors and clergy after all? How many of what you think of as “professions” are female dominated, or African American dominated occupations? How many are male or white Anglo dominated? How many pay poorly? How many pay very well?) and wield political power in ways that are unjust.
A typical example in the medical literature is the rise of the AMA in the mid nineteenth century and its virulent opposition to women healthcare providers, especially midwives. Just last year, in response to Ricki Lake’s documentary on midwife assisted home birth, the American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology declared that the best setting for labor and delivery is a hospital, despite data which suggests otherwise for low risk pregnancies.
When we put on our “lefty glasses” (feminist, Marxist, etc.), we see professions as monopoly labor protectionism. Resources — valuable jobs and high social status — are hoarded by a select group. All the oaths and specialized knowledge are a smokescreen for political power and social privilege. If you can keep the unclean out and name your own (above market) price, you’ve got a profession. From this point of view, denying certain groups, such as women and minorities, access, is just part of the strategy of keeping the labor supply low and the price high.
Looked at ethically again (instead of politically) we can see several themes in the concept of “profession” that are antithetical to the ethical ideals I mentioned above. One is unquestioned loyalty to members of one’s profession. Another is exclusivity and elitism based on credentials. Another is excessive concern for the group’s self-interest. In this sense, professionalism can be self-protective and excessively inward looking, rather than focusing on its clients and social function.
So, what does all of this have to do with writing?
Well, the first thing to say, in response to the author who claimed that the unpublished writer was merely a “HOBBYIST”, is “pot, meet kettle”. Because nowhere, in any definition of profession one can find, is “being paid for it” a necesary or sufficient condition for being a member of a profession. My 9 year old makes $5 on a summer day selling lemonade. Is he a “Professional Lemonade Merchant”?
How about special training? Hmmmm. Ever heard of an author named Nora Roberts? If the recent New Yorker profile on her is correct, she is “self-taught”. No MFA there, I’m afraid.
Credentialing? Nope.
How about special skills? Excellent writing/unskilled writing doesn’t track the published/unpublished line. Take a look at any “F” review on any romance blog and tell me if it’s true that only well-written books get published. Then look at some of the wonderful free fiction on the web, and tell me it all shows lack of writing skill.
Suppose we accept outright the idea that being published and paid for it means you are a professional writer. Even then, things get murky. Published by whom? Does self-pub count? E-pub? Arguably, in its stance towards e-presses, the RWA evidences some of those protectionist practices I mentioned above. Even if it wasn’t problematic for other reasons, the idea that we can define a professional writer simply as anyone who is “published” raises many more questions than it answers.
I think there’s a strong case to be made that fiction writing is not a profession at all, as that term is commonly understood, such that no writer is really a “professional”. And I can see the other side as well. But if it is a profession, when we think about how may excellent writers have not been paid for their work, or are not paid enough to quit their day jobs, or how many wonderful writers were not published until after they died, or were not published until after 10 or 15 or 20 years of rejected manuscripts, getting paid to publish is probably not a very important determinant.
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All of this came up in the context of #romfail, the semi-regular event in which Jane of Dear Author and some other folks read a romance novel and make fun of it line by line. It doesn’t pretend to be any kind of serious criticism. I’ll say a few things about that, although my main target here is the quotes with which I began the post.
The naysayers’ claim was that “amateur” and “professional” authors who participate in it are somehow acting unprofessionally. My first thought was that the critics can’t have it both ways: if the pre-published authors are “HOBBYISTS” then why do they have to hew to “professional” standards? But the bigger problem is that even professionals are not professionals 24/7 (do you behave, and dress, and speak, the same way you do on your job, when you are at home?), and I see the romfail stuff as “off duty” fun.
It’s possible (I have no idea) that writers who participate in #romfail or other snarky activities are not being prudent. That is, it is possible they are doing something that thwarts their stated career goals. That’s not a moral issue, but one of practical rationality, and it’s really up to the individual to decide.
It is also possible that they are doing something immoral, but my point is that they are not doing something wrong in virtue of being writers. Whatever moral wrong writers commit (if they do in fact commit one) by participating in #romfail or any other snarky activity, it is the exact same moral wrong that nonwriters commit.
If anything, I think there is a gendered component to charges of “unprofessionalism” in these sorts of situations, but that’s a subject for another post.
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I do realize that published authors have a valuable base of knowledge of the business that unpublished ones do not, and I can also understand getting a bit annoyed if someone doesn’t recognize this difference, and acts like you and she are exactly the same. I know I get a bit put out — for 5 seconds — when people with a BA in some field claim to be experts. In most US colleges, you need 120 credits to graduate, and only about 30 in your major. I knew very little philosophy after my 30 undergraduate credits.
But, while a moment of “hey, wait a minute!” is very human, I have to ask myself why it makes some people so mad that the RWA has these designations, or that some unpublished bloggers refer to themselves as “writers”. They ARE writers, and I commend the RWA for bringing them into the fold with their various designations which recognize different levels of experience. I fail to see what this takes away from published authors, whose success, I am sure, is duly noted by every aspiring writer who desperately wants to join their ranks.
From a feminist/labor point of view, the RWA is to be celebrated for encouraging anyone who enjoys romances to join a local chapter and try their hand at writing one. To me, that’s an example of the service orientation a true profession has, and it’s a salutary counterbalance to other areas where the organization seems, from my outsider point of view, not to have been so open-minded and inclusive. That the RWA doesn’t seem to enforce rigid hierarchies and exclusionary practices in keeping “HOBBYISTS” out encourages more people of various levels of formal education, ages, and economic backgrounds to participate. I would think that, whatever problems there are with the way it is enacted in the RWA structure, the PRO designation and use of terms like “pre-published” encourages more people, rather than fewer, to feel a sense of possibility and promise, to feel that they have a place at the table with the big shots, to feel like they are entitled to at least try. When we talk about empowering women, isn’t this what what we mean?
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#1 by Evangeline on September 26, 2009 - 3:12 am
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I feel the romance genre and the RWA are in the unique position of being the only female-dominated and female-centric genre fiction on the market. However, this status creates a lot of tension that collides with the issue of gender. I posit that much of the conflict between RWA members, unpublished and published authors, and bloggers and reviewers in the romance community stem from a lack of precedent.
The modern romance genre as we know it is only 30-40 years old and the RWA is but 28 years old (1981). The genre still struggles with it’s place in society–are romances feminist or regressive? are romance writers repressed romanticists or by-the-formula money-chasers? These issues are only now being expressed by those within the genre, but it is not widespread enough to make an impact.
Many people complain about the RWA’s “open door policy” because other professional writers organizations only allow acceptably published writers into the fold–which in turn leads many to feel insecure about their status as a “real writer” when just writing romances makes others believe you to be a hack.
I do consider the open membership to the RWA empowering–it’s set a new path and a unique journey for women writers to publication, one that was not formed by a traditionally male setting. I feel that the more the romance community looks to and attempts to draw their general model from other (aka traditionally male) models, we’re destined to remain in this state of conflict and strife, where romance writers strive for artificial ladder rungs to achieve “legitimacy”.
As for #romfail, I only roll my eyes over it because I don’t understand its purpose. Is it supposed to be a pseudo-book club? Or is it supposed to shame others from writing so tritely (which in and of itself is not conducive for creativity if an author fears any “wrong” turn in the plot will cause reviewers to rip them to shreds)?
#2 by Laura Vivanco on September 26, 2009 - 4:30 am
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“The modern romance genre as we know it is only 30-40 years old and the RWA is but 28 years old (1981)”
Just for comparative purposes, I thought it might be useful to mention that the UK’s situation is different from the US’s since the genre is more broadly defined as “romantic fiction” rather than “romance,” the Romantic Novelists’ Association “started in 1960,” it’s a lot smaller than the RWA, and it has far more restrictive entrance criteria. The RNA has a limit of 250 unpublished authors, and this limit seems to exist in part because all the unpublished authors are “eligible to submit a manuscript for appraisal” to “a team of over 30 readers who are authors with extensive publishing histories in various types of romantic novel. The scripts are sent to an appropriate reader who provides a report that may include, for example, such aspects as plotting, characterisation and structure. The reports are intended to be honest and constructive suggestions from a published novelist – they point out flaws but also offer advice based on experience.”
#3 by Victoria Janssen on September 26, 2009 - 8:15 am
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To me, writer = one who writes. And if pushed, I will also include “one who has written,” because my perennial example, Harper Lee, only finished one novel, and would anyone deny she’s a writer?
That’s all. Anything otherwise gets way too sticky.
I don’t often attach “professional” to “writer” because so much of selling is a crapshoot, and I know dozens of writers, many better prose stylists than I am, who have no interest whatsoever in selling their work.
I will attach “professional” to “behavior,” which I agree, is more prudence than any established code one must follow. Isn’t most business behavior related to self-interest in one way or another? And politeness to one’s colleagues ought to be a factor.
Great post!
#4 by azteclady on September 26, 2009 - 10:57 am
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I love the distinction between professional and prudent behaviour regarding romfail–and indeed, regarding any public interactions.
Like it or not, online behaviour is public because it can be viewed by everyone. As Tumperkin’s post highlighted, whether we think of a particular blog as a private space, no one can control, completely, who has access to it. (Even blogs that are blocked–how can anyone be sure there is no one out there taking screen caps and emailing them to a few “trusted” friends who will in turn share with a few who will share with a few who…)
Which doesn’t mean I advocate people never relaxing a bit. What I mean is that we should all own our own lapses.
#5 by Angela/Lazaraspaste on September 26, 2009 - 11:20 am
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Oh Jessica, I do love you. That made me laugh for a good 5 minutes on and off.
I would also add to your definition that the three ancient professions also are acts of mediation between a complex body of knowledge and those they serve. This is not true of crafts (violin making, computers, cooking etc. etc.) in which the Master is making the thing. The Craftsman makes an object. The lawyer or doctor or priest is not making anything, they are merely mediating between something already in existence and their client.
An artist, which is what a writer is, is on the strange outer-reaches of craft. That is, there is a certain technical proficiency which the painter or the poet must acquire through practice but they aren’t exactly making something in the same way that a person making a bicycle is making something. By which I mean, artists tend to create without completely knowing for what purpose their creation is being made. I grant that they usually have an idea (or an Idea, if you are Aristotle) that they are working with but they have no idea how that work of art is actually going to exist/function/serve/act in the world. They have no idea whether or not people will be moved at all or if people will be moved in the way they intended or if the piece is going to do something all together outside of what they could imagine. Whereas a person building a bicycle has a much more concrete idea of what the bicycle is meant to do and whether or not it fails as a bicycle.
Artists neither mediate complex bodies of knowledge, create objects for use and function, nor do they buy and sell those objects. They don’t farm, they don’t fight, they don’t govern. They create stories and pictures whose effect they have no control over. No wonder Plato didn’t want them hanging around.
Not to mention the fact that art requires that undefinable spark of something (talent? genius?) that cannot be learned, certified, oathed or any of the other things professionals do. I mean, you can be a published, paid author with MFA, PhD etc. etc. but does that really mean that what you write is “good”? or that you have talent? Or that people will have visceral and spiritual reaction to what you have written three centuries later, as they do to Homer? Probably not. I think it just means you’ve learned how to write a good query letter.
As you can tell, I rather find the academization/professionalization of art to be a repugnant stench in my nose because by defining art in terms of a profession is a way of keeping out certain genres, groups and styles that certain people feel are not “artistic” or “literary”. Could an aspiring romance novelist even get into an MFA program as a romance novelist? I don’t think so.
#6 by Robin on September 26, 2009 - 11:58 am
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Okay, regarding the “hobbyist” thing, I see that as part of the ugly, ugly, ugly, ugly, ugly world of intra (and inter) author bullying. I would never have believed or understood that except for an incident a few years ago I referenced in my last RG post.
In that context, I think the whole ‘what’s professional’ question is more of an unreasonable and illogical “policing function” that doesn’t really intend to police anything but the artificial and exceedingly tenuous power of one group over another (although one could argue that the very act of bullying reflects insecurity rather than confidence). And all you have to do is look at the personally directed cruelty (including stuff that bears a striking resemblance to harassment) perpetrated by the so-called professional folks in these scenarios to see the insanity of the whole thing (I think it’s similar to those who attack the #romfail participants personally, but whatever).
Also, I have it on very good authority that “professional” editors (hah!) don’t care about stuff like #romfail, although if an author has a pattern of being difficult to work with or is a real troublemaker, then the author may become a liability for agent, editor, publisher.
But back to the larger question of what makes someone professional, I have a slightly different take, since I do make my living writing, but not all of that writing is strictly in an academic context. In fact, I don’t consider my academic writing to be part of my so-called professional writing endeavors, because I see the compensation process as slightly different (it’s not strictly for hire, I retain IP rights, it’s part of my academic dossier, etc.). Not that I’m imposing such a distinction on others; it’s just that I do see my own work for hire as professional writing. What I *don’t* see is those who are not doing what I’m doing as amateurs. Which seems to be the division drawn in these “professional writer” discussions as a means to denigrate another writer — ‘oh, you’re just an amateur,’ etc.
Further, I have never understood the term “aspiring” as it relates to “aspiring author” or “aspiring writer.” If you’re writing, you’re not aspiring to write, and anything you write you’ve authored. I can see “aspiring published author of fiction” or the like, because then the aspiration is for publication, but even that (as Jessica pointed out) has some difficulty associated with where/how one is published.
IMO RWA’s egalitarian stance on writers is one of its best aspects, although it has caused a world of trouble in some ways. And the cynic in me sometimes wonders if RWA is inclusive because of the additional monies such a policy renders. Regardless, I think it’s very difficult to sustain a universally recognized idea of what it means to be “professional” or “published” or even “professionally published” as a writer/author these days, and while some might try to impose certain boundaries to protect their achievement from what they see as its cheapening (i.e. they want to see themselves as part of a very exclusive group and don’t want too many sharing the title of professional writer), I think it’s rarer now that such impositions are convincing. Especially if the club isn’t one you join but rather one that’s wielded to bludgeon.
#7 by Marianne McA on September 26, 2009 - 12:07 pm
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I don’t think it’s an unfamiliar use of the word though, at least in UK English. At the Olympics, they’d interview boxers – for example – and ask them if after the Games they intend to go ‘professional’. I always took it that what differentiated the amateur boxer from the professional was not ability or training, but simply that the amateur does not get paid.
(And O/T a bit, but while I’m not very interested in sports, if you read books from the 30s – I’m thinking of things like Wodehouse’s cricketing books, you get the impression that professionals were seen as lesser beings – that the ‘gentleman’ or amateur sportsman had higher status and was thought more likely to have the strong ethical code. If that was the perception, and I don’t suppose you can tell from fiction, it was probably a class thing – public schoolboys could presumably afford to play sport for the fun of it – but interesting that the word had a different connotation in that context.)
#8 by Laurie EC on September 26, 2009 - 12:45 pm
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“All the oaths and specialized knowledge are a smokescreen for political power and social privilege.”
AB-SO-LUTE-LY. The history of women’s work in the transition from feudalism to capitalism makes the exclusionary nature of professional claims very apparent. Witness the “professions” of medicine, baking, and brewing. All were once undertaken by women (and men) out of their own gardens and homes. Later, they became highly regulated enterprises where only members of a certain guild or organization – with almost entirely male membership – could legally practice them. I realize that this is a very general picture with many exceptions, but it seems to be the overall historical arc.
As for my own experience in the present (I am an academic too – English), I find that notions of the “profession” tend to work one of two ways. One, “professional” procedures and norms are assumed to be understood by the entire community — and when this is actually the case, this provides a set of ground rules and a fair playing field for all. It’s an ideal, but a good thing in and of itself.
However, I also think “professional standards” gets bandied about to encourage a certain conformist mindset in how one goes about one’s work, whether it’s writing an article, teaching a class, or giving a job interview. Example: in English studies, one typically must publish a monograph to achieve tenure. Why? Is this the only way to a exert positive impact on one’s field? In many cases, it doesn’t even seem to matter if it’s a good book — as long as the fetish object is in place.
In sum, I think professionalism can function in a positive sense, as a form of protection for the profession’s members and the people it serves. But I also think it can easily lend itself to elitism, not to mention the stifling of creativity and innovation.
#9 by SarahT on September 26, 2009 - 1:09 pm
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Any of the snobby published authors who sneer at their not-yet-published peers might one day find themselves sans contract and their books out-of-print. Are we then allowed to refer to them as post-published?
#10 by Tumperkin on September 26, 2009 - 2:34 pm
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I find it interesting that amateurism/ hobbyism is almost always spoken of in negative terms. Historically, amateurism was seen as a noble thing, untainted by money; doing the thing for the love of the thing itself, the Olympic ideal etc.
Of course, for writers, the mere fact of being paid for a manuscript is as plain and objective a benchmark for quality as there can be in the eyes of the world (though as you’ve pointed out that isn’t necessarily borne out by experience).
I do think it’s strange though, the way the word ‘professional’ is bandied around as the ultimate of compliments in this most amateur of milieus, blogland.
#11 by heidenkind on September 26, 2009 - 3:53 pm
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In my experience, people who say things like that are insecure themselves about whether or not THEY’RE writers. But when who gets published when and why can seem totally random, there might be a reason for that insecurity. I read one RWA Chapter description where they said, “When you’re ready to be published, you will be.” Like oookayyy. Should I wait for a comet to pass over before I submit my manuscript, too?
#12 by Robin on September 26, 2009 - 4:28 pm
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I like Laurie EC’s point about how professional status can also endow protections and even rights.
Just a small example of that is grad school teaching assistants. Although TAs often work the equivalent of more than half time, historically (and still in many instances) they get no employment benefits. So the university gets the benefit of A LOT of VERY CHEAP labor and students *supposedly* get all this apprentice work. But anyone who’s ever survived that juggernaut knows it’s more often about freeing up the faculty for “more important” teaching. So in many universities TAs have fought for and won unionization, allowing them to be represented to the extent that they are essentially doing the job of employees without being compensates and protected as such.
So I think context is crucial.
And since here the context is commercial fiction, well, I can see the notion of professional authorship as logical. I just think this goes back to the whole question of community ethics –what, as a community, to commercial fiction writers believe should be valued as professional conduct.
One of the most interesting questions to me, which I also asked on Sarah Tanner’s blog a while ago, is who constitutes the rule makers, with the subsidiary question of what happens when those who purport to make and/or enforce the rules cannot themselves follow them. Which is, I think, part of what makes the example Jessica started out with particularly vexing (and, let’s face it, interesting from a philosophical perspective).
#13 by Ann Somerville on September 26, 2009 - 8:32 pm
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“you get the impression that professionals were seen as lesser beings”
Because they retain the idea promoted during the INdustrial Age that no gentleman worked for a salary – indeed, the very act of accepting payment for work, made you working class. It’s amusing to note the many ways that penniless ‘gentleman’ got around this ironclad social rule.
It’s worth bearing in mind that this is bullshit, of course. Being paid or not paid doesn’t affect the value of the work, though it might affect the motivation of the artist. Do we devalue the works of Michelangelo and so on because they worked on commissioned pieces? Do we rate Van Gogh more highly because he made so very little money during his lifetime? Do we actually examine the amount of an advance in judging a piece of literature, or question whether the author was in paid employment or not when they wrote it?
I see ‘professional’ as ‘taking it seriously, to the exclusion of all other optional activities’. An author who dabbles, puts out a piece now and then when they want to, not when they need to, whether paid or not, is an amateur – in the strict sense of ‘doing it for love’. I am an amateur, I guess, since I don’t want a career, nor to put out work just to keep up a certainly level of production. Other authors work hard at building a career, and will write even when they’re not enjoying it because the goal is the career. Those are pros.
But whether one writer is more worthy than another, can’t be about remuneration, or even goals. It has to be about the quality of the writing, and willingness to improve. Some writers who’ve never earned a cent, will polish and polish their work until it shines and accept critique with utmost grace. There are plenty of paid authors who stomp all over advice and critics and whose craft is very sloppy indeed. Thus a distinction between amateur and professional, to me, is completely meaningless.
#14 by Laurie EC on September 26, 2009 - 9:27 pm
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Tumperkin wrote:
I see that as an attempt by some to impose hierarchy on what is essentially a democratic medium, provided one has access to the requisite hardware and software. No doubt, some find this leveling effect unsettling and a devaluation of their own work … enter the exclusionary impulse once again.
(I am loving this discussion, in case that wasn’t obvious.
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#15 by Magdalen on September 27, 2009 - 12:13 am
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I worked for a while in a state bureaucracy, in the sort of office building where all the men on the floor used the same men’s room and all the women used the same ladies’ room. I developed a theory about the sociology of men’s room plumbing — specifically, the urinal. Why, with all our post-Victorian quirkiness about sex, do we mass produce a plumbing fixture so exposed that it theoretically allows men to check out each other’s equipment?
(And yes, I understand there is an unspoken code about allowing other men to do their business without eye contact, comment, etc. But peripheral vision is a wonderful thing — and you know they want to know, at least subconsciously.)
Well, thinking about men’s competitiveness, ego, and tendency to equate penile dimensions with value as a human being, I figured out that in the course of a year, say, every man in the office would eventually have a good sense of where he falls in the hierarchy of size-aka-value. Which mean that some guy would inevitably know — even if he denied it! — that his was the smallest weenie.
In my theory, THAT was the guy most likely to be a sexist pig, treating women with appalling contempt. Why? Because in order to prop up his ego, he has to remind himself that while he might be smaller, and therefore less valued, than all the other men in the office, at least he HAD ONE!
(And if you want to play along at home, the guy with the most egalitarian behavior in the office was likely to be pretty high in the hierarchy — or had a damn fine education at home…)
My point? For published authors to insist that anyone unpublished isn’t a “writer,” is a bit like saying, “Well, at least I HAVE ONE.” It makes about as much sense as sexism in the modern workplace, and it’s just as revealing.
#16 by Tumperkin on September 27, 2009 - 3:19 am
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@ Laurie EC:
So do I.
#17 by Jessica on September 27, 2009 - 7:36 am
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Thanks everyone for your comments. They have helped me to see more clearly the point I was trying, in my “thinking out loud” meandering way, to make, which can be crystallized in my reply to Marianne.
Evangeline wrote:
This is a great point. I forget sometimes how young it is.
Evangeline wrote:
I don’t do it, but I view it as a social thing, not criticism in any serious way. The book is almost incidental to the social aspect.
@ Laura Vivanco:
thanks for sharing that. It;s really interesting. It almost seems to prove a middle ground between the strengths of openness and inclusion, and clear standards of competence.
Victoria Janssen wrote:
I think we agree completely, and Lee is a great example. I don’t think writing is a profession in any sense of the term, but I do think the word “professional” has come to denote that set of virtues I listed.
azteclady wrote:
I know. this is perhaps the weakest link in my argument. Thank you for exposing it to the world.
I was mentally comparing my behavior at a local bar (you know, the stripping naked and reading passages from Plato on a table top while gulping absinthe) to the writers who partake in #romfail. But there is a difference between the net, where what you do it visible to anyone who happens by, and a bar, where you can predict more or less who will be exposed to your behavior.
I think there’s a long tradition of insult comedy in many different forms (playing the dozens, standup routines, roasts, mystery science theatre 3000. Even Plato insulted his interlocutors in his dialogues), and I think we need to be careful about criticizing a group of women for doing the same thing about a genre they love, based implicitly on judgments about “ladylike” behavior.
On the other hand, and I mentioned this on DA when Victoria’s book was subject to this sort of thing, there is a pointedness, a many vs one, and a premeditated aspect which all make it uncomfortable for me personally.
But it’s pretty easy to stay off Twitter on Friday nights.
Angela/Lazaraspaste wrote:
I am so glad someone liked my joke! And yes, this is a salutary emendation.
Yes, I agree. We are just reading Tolstoy’s What is Art in my Class, and he argues something very similar. In this sense, art is the great leveler.
Robin wrote:
Yes, one of the things that really struck me, was that the romance author quoted in the post said she objected to #romfail because it was “elistist”, and therefore wrong. In the next breath, she said what I quoted. I got whiplash!
Robin wrote:
This was my point about whether it’s prudent. I really don’t know. It might be neither prudent nor imprudent. It may not matter at all whether one participates. Or it may be prudent, if fellow participants like your jokes and buy your book because of it. But any effect on one’s career is going to be on the scale of negligible to minimal, I would think.
Robin wrote:
I didn’t meant to imply that the RWA does it strictly for altruistic reasons. I am sure there are lots of motives, many not even transparent to the organization itself.
I agree with you that the word “hobbyist”, or “amateur” have very negative connotations in this arena, and serve to shore up political and problematic divisions as much as they tell us anything about the difference between two kinds of writers.
Marianne McA wrote:
I agree, and the sports analogy is a good one. We also use it for prostitutes (“is she a pro?”). I guess what I am saying is that if we interpret “pro writer” to mean strictly “has sold”, there are lots of problems (counterexamples, etc.) with that. And that actually, I think the division is used to make a distinction between writers in lots of invidious and unhelpful ways.
Laurie EC wrote:
Yes, and I think it is used in Romanceland, when directed at writers or reviewers, to encourage exactly this kind of conformity, It has the effect of social shaming.
It;s not merely a factual designation that is being made (I have gotten paid for writing and you have not), but a valuation — aesthetic and moral — that I think needs to be excavated and examined.
And I love your use of “fetish object”. God was I in thrall of it. I got a contract with a good press to have my dissertation published right out of the gate. I felt so important! But I had never personally wanted to turn it into a book, and as year 1, 2, and 3 went by and I was making little progress, I realized that I needed to start publishing what I wanted why I wanted. Luckily, I am not in a field that requires a book.
SarahT wrote:
Well said!
Tumperkin wrote:
I agree with you. Looked at a certain way, it is perhaps more noble to do something for the love of it than for public recognition or pay (although, admittedly, many amateur writers would LOVE to be paid, and many pro writers write for many other reasons besides $).
Tumperkin wrote:
I love this point. I think you have hit the nail on the finger.
heidenkind wrote:
LOL!
Robin wrote:
This is a very interesting question, especially right now, when you have the traditional professional or workers’ organizations (RWA, AMA, unions) and then you have the internet, and the communities forming there. In romance, I see it in the growth of bloggers, twitter and epresses. How does the traditional brick and mortar and ink and paper establishment accommodate these things? In some ways the debate around #romfail is the nexus of those.
As for who makes the rules, there are identifiable individuals in positions of power, then there are classes of people in power, and then there’s the internal logic of the organization, which may not look very logical form the outside, and isn’t in anyone’s hands.
I think the question gets more vexed on the internet, because one naysayer can seem to speak for more people or have more of an impact in that setting. If we look at the dwindling AMA membership, and the lesser role it plays in doctor’s lives, except as a lobbying group to which dues are paid, I think we can point to many factors, but one is alternative associating on the internet.
It’s kind of like running a meeting and trying to get consensus. Maybe only one person is opposed, but the one naysayer can disproportionately influence the group. Returning to #romfail, I think the vast majority of people don’t care about it or somewhat like it. But two or three authors complain and it looks like there’s a “big backlash” against it.
Ann Somerville wrote:
I think if I were forced to use the terminology this is the kind of line I might draw. for me, it has to do with the place the work has in a writer’s life.
I was thinking of your free fiction, Ann, and Jamie Samms, and others when I refused to agree that paid fiction is always better than free. Some people might choose not to publish, and some might be writing things that TPTB don’t consider worthy of publishing (obviously, it’s not just the market and the quality that dictate). Of course, you can bring out the big guns and name Michelangelo too!
Laurie EC wrote:
Yes, i agree. It is not just about a pure search for quality. there are many other things at stake, most of which no one wants to name.
Magdalen wrote:
I never thought about the urinal in quite this way, and my husband wants you to know that in 9 years in his department he has never seen another man’s penis, peripherally or not (methinks he protests too much, but he says there are dividers). But I take your point. Well put.
#18 by Abby on September 27, 2009 - 8:54 am
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Thank you, thank you for posting this! I read those comments too and they bothered me, but I was absolutely uninterested in joining the conversation at that point. Still, they bothered me.
I too thought that the designation of “pay” is a false way to separate the “professional” from the “hobbyist” (we keep using “amateur” in the comments, and relating it to sport, but the word used was “hobbyist”. No one would call an Olympic athlete a “hobbyist”.)
Is an intern a hobbyist? Is a student a hobbyist? Would you call someone in their medical residency a hobbyist? Or someone in law school? Would you call an apprentice to woodworker, an ironworker, or an electrician a hobbyist? None of them are paid, after all.
I see RWA’s PRO designation as equivalent to the intern, the apprentice, or the full-time student. The writer who has put in the hours, finished a book and tried to sell it (a finished manuscript and proof of submission are the criteria for joining PRO.) That is a huge milestone in the life of a writer, and I think RWA is wonderful to recognize it.
Who cares if this person calls herself a writer? She can call herself a Sasquatch if it makes her happy as far as I’m concerned. It shouldn’t matter to anyone else’s perception of their own status – and yet it seems to.
#19 by jillsorenson on September 27, 2009 - 9:16 am
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Nice post. I like the PRO designation in RWA. Finishing a book is a major accomplishment, and many (most?) aspiring authors don’t make it that far, so it seems appropriate to recognize those who have. It’s an acronym, I think. Not sure what it stands for.
I don’t know if I would call myself a professional, either. I feel very much like an amateur! Paid or not. But I do sometimes use “writer” for unpubbed and “author” for pubbed.
About #romfail. I don’t follow it, or have any problem with it, but making fun of romance just isn’t my thang. I can think of so many lines from my books, taken out of context, that are absolutely cringeworthy. Here’s one:
“She’d die if he didn’t come into her now.”
She’d DIE? OMGWTFLOL #romfail
#20 by azteclady on September 27, 2009 - 10:59 am
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On the prestige of being amateur vs professional tangent…
I find it interesting that this is brought up by romance genre authors. After all, don’t the “literary fiction” authors, who usually make way less money (as a group and individually), look down on those writing commercial “trash”? (Like those Regency gentlemen who wouldn’t lower themselves to work)
It’s a bit like the lowest rung in the social ladder looking for someone to put down–it doesn’t bring them up a rung, but at least there’s something under their feet.
I don’t know if that makes sense…
#21 by Lusty Reader on September 27, 2009 - 12:58 pm
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since everyone else made thought provoking comments on this very insightful post, can i just be the immature one for a very teeny tiny minute?
When you said, ” The three original professions…” you forgot the oldest profession! You know, the one that can be made lying down?
0_0
sorry, but it had to be said.
#22 by Robin on September 27, 2009 - 2:20 pm
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@ azteclady: I think it depends on the writer. Michael Chabon, for example, has won both the Hugo and the Pulitzer, and while trained in one of the most exclusive MFA programs in the country, is writing what I’d call literary genre fiction. Also, he has recently released a book of essays called Maps and Legends: Reading and Writing Along the Borderlands.
More generally, though, I’ve seen the putting down on both sides; in fact, probably because of the vagaries of my own community immersion these days, I’ve lately seen more active insults from genre fiction authors and readers toward lit fic and its writers.
#23 by Heloise on September 27, 2009 - 2:20 pm
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Good point about hobbyist vs. amateur. As a hobbyist romance writer (I just don’t think 3000 words and two days at it gives me the right to claim I’m a ‘writer’) I do think a distinction can/should be made between me and someone’s who has put in the time to finish a manuscript or two. And I do believe putting emphasis on the published vs unpublished distinction smacks of elitism.
No offense but this comment thread is in some ways more interesting than the original post.
#24 by Janet W on September 27, 2009 - 5:17 pm
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LOL Lusty Reader … I cannot wait for the discussion that ensues when Mary Balogh’s Precious Jewel is re-issued because Pris = real working girl. No one night stand leading to marrying the duke the next day.
OK, I can’t decide where I come down on this — personally, wearing my RL hat, a lot of it comes down to what you do and what you do well. But I asked my dh, who is a consulting professional with a string of letters after his name, what he thought … and he said (paraphrasing a bit) …
A professional writer makes his or her living from her writing. A published author is not necessarily a professional writer. He used the example of one of my dd’s English teachers — the gentleman she had write one of her college recs. He has a couple published books under his belt but he makes his living as a teacher. My dh mentioned: jingle writers, newspaper reporters … yadda yadda: people who make their living with the words they write. And I asked about his profession (actuary) and he said in his opinion, what’s relevant is whether or not you’re a practicing whatever. Yet another opinion!
#25 by Sherry Thomas on September 27, 2009 - 7:43 pm
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Re: Romfail
I have no problem with romfail whatsoever. I sat through Battlefield Earth–I wanted to leave halfway, but had to see just how crazy bad it could be. Ever since then, I have never neglected to use it as an example of the Worst Movie Ever.
And I do it with perfect knowledge that it was a work of love for John Travolta.
As long as a reader went into a book with an open mind, she can express whatever resultant honest opinion she has afterwards.
Re: Professional vs nonprofessional or pre-professional
Was I a better writer the day after I got a contract than I was the day before? Don’t think so. It’s just that now somebody is willing to pay me for my work. That’s all.
And @Magdalen,
Not sure whether men see each other in the loo, certainly the husband has never come home to say woo, so-and-so at work has a tiny pecker. But I do think there is a lot of validity there in that a minimally-endowed man might have certain issues that a reasonably-endowed one just doesn’t.
#26 by azteclady on September 27, 2009 - 8:07 pm
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I think the percentage of published writers who actually “make a living” from their published works is so minuscule that, following Janet W’s husband’s definition, professional writers would be rara avis indeed.
Personally, I like Ann Somerville’s definition best:
#27 by Victoria Janssen on September 28, 2009 - 10:12 am
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As you can tell, I rather find the academization/professionalization of art to be a repugnant stench in my nose because by defining art in terms of a profession is a way of keeping out certain genres, groups and styles that certain people feel are not “artistic” or “literary”.
Angela, you are TOTALLY AWESOME.
That is all.
#28 by katiebabs on September 28, 2009 - 4:12 pm
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I think the same goes what makes a reviewer professional and another just a reviewer who does it as a hobby.
Some think it depends you are a professional writer if you get paid or are well respected for it.
This year I haven’t sold any of my books but I have written almost everyday and I can say I have written over 100K words.
And I think of myself as a professional writer. Anyone who writes and enjoys it and finds the love in writing is a professional to me.
#29 by SSOCB on November 1, 2009 - 1:23 pm
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A lot has been said about what professionalism means, but no one has addressed the core function of professional governing bodies in regard to careers where you can become a professional.
The most important aspect of professional registration with a governing body is the fact that it implies that you meet certain standards of competency. I’m an engineer, but not a professional engineer. I have not worked in the industry long enough to apply for registration. This does not mean that I am not a good engineer; it means that I am not a professional because I do not meet the requirements regarding experience. Yet.
Safeguarding professional standards is important when it comes to engineering because if you get it wrong when you design your pressure vessel/pump assembly/ bridge people get killed. The same can not be said about writing fiction so as I see it the whole issue regarding professionalism is moot.
Even if you wanted to there is no way in which the competence of a writer can be quantified and compared to an absolute standard, because writing is an art. Different pieces of art speak in various degrees to different people. (Really excellent engineering design approaches art, but only engineers feel this way about it.
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