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	<title>Comments on: Joint Review: Tempt the Devil, by Anna Campbell</title>
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		<title>By: Janine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Janine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 20:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Robin&lt;/b&gt; wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Untouched must be some kind of Romance Rorschach test. It’s by far my least favorite Campbell book, although I liked the premise (captivity, go figure). But it just felt so awkwardly written and clumsily overwrought. CtC remains my favorite Campbell book, even though I did not like the second half as much as the first.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I haven&#039;t read &lt;i&gt;Untouched&lt;/i&gt; but I felt the writing in &lt;i&gt;Claiming the Courtesan&lt;/i&gt; was overwrought, and I had a hard time buying &lt;b&gt;that&lt;/b&gt; heroine as ever having been a successful courtesan.  So the problems you&#039;re having with Campbell&#039;s two most recent books are ones I had with &lt;i&gt;Claiming the Courtesan&lt;/i&gt;.  

Incidentally, I&#039;m still hoping you get around to Putney&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Uncommon Vows&lt;/i&gt; someday, Robin. It&#039;s my favorite captivity romance ever -- and probably the only one I love.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Robin</b> wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>Untouched must be some kind of Romance Rorschach test. It’s by far my least favorite Campbell book, although I liked the premise (captivity, go figure). But it just felt so awkwardly written and clumsily overwrought. CtC remains my favorite Campbell book, even though I did not like the second half as much as the first.</p></blockquote>
<p>I haven&#8217;t read <i>Untouched</i> but I felt the writing in <i>Claiming the Courtesan</i> was overwrought, and I had a hard time buying <b>that</b> heroine as ever having been a successful courtesan.  So the problems you&#8217;re having with Campbell&#8217;s two most recent books are ones I had with <i>Claiming the Courtesan</i>.  </p>
<p>Incidentally, I&#8217;m still hoping you get around to Putney&#8217;s <i>Uncommon Vows</i> someday, Robin. It&#8217;s my favorite captivity romance ever &#8212; and probably the only one I love.</p>
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		<title>By: Tumperkin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tumperkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 10:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Victoria - I love &#039;romance goggles&#039;! That&#039;s a brilliant description of how I feel when reading certain romances.  Sometimes the goggles are enough to keep certain frequencies of ludicrousness from impacting on my mind but the trouble with TTD for me was that it lacked internal logic.  I think I can withstand a lot of nonsense in a book so long as it works logically within its own world.  But when characters blatantly contradict themselves, I struggle.  I think that was what I was trying - clumsily - to say with the high concept thing.

That said, you&#039;ll have gotten from my review that I derived a degree of enjoyment from TTD.  It wasn&#039;t a wallbanger or a DNF, and given some of the books I&#039;ve given up on in the past (technically far superior) I find myself wondering why...

Robin - on the whole I agree with you re the writing.  As for the empowered whore who enjoys sex, I think I would find that difficult to buy and I thought the frigidity made more sense here. When I think of books with whore heroines (The Secret Pearl and No Man&#039;s Mistress by Balogh spring to mind) their career has not been enjoyable although I think Balogh in those books did a very good job of showing women being empowered in the sense of choosing to use what they had to to survive.  The books that I&#039;ve read that maybe show heroines more actively empowered by their sold sexuality don&#039;t feature whores so much as choosy courtesans/ selective mistresses.  Women who have had actual relationships with the men they&#039;ve slept with rather than a large number of punters.  I&#039;m thinking here of Sleeping Beauty by Ivory for example. This latter scenario is more morally ambiguous (for want of a better term) and easier to carry off than the former.  I did a post on this some time ago - link below.  Any thoughts on any particular books with these types of heroines that you&#039;ve read?

http://tumperkin.blogspot.com/2008/01/classification-5-lady-is-tramp-i-mean.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Victoria &#8211; I love &#8216;romance goggles&#8217;! That&#8217;s a brilliant description of how I feel when reading certain romances.  Sometimes the goggles are enough to keep certain frequencies of ludicrousness from impacting on my mind but the trouble with TTD for me was that it lacked internal logic.  I think I can withstand a lot of nonsense in a book so long as it works logically within its own world.  But when characters blatantly contradict themselves, I struggle.  I think that was what I was trying &#8211; clumsily &#8211; to say with the high concept thing.</p>
<p>That said, you&#8217;ll have gotten from my review that I derived a degree of enjoyment from TTD.  It wasn&#8217;t a wallbanger or a DNF, and given some of the books I&#8217;ve given up on in the past (technically far superior) I find myself wondering why&#8230;</p>
<p>Robin &#8211; on the whole I agree with you re the writing.  As for the empowered whore who enjoys sex, I think I would find that difficult to buy and I thought the frigidity made more sense here. When I think of books with whore heroines (The Secret Pearl and No Man&#8217;s Mistress by Balogh spring to mind) their career has not been enjoyable although I think Balogh in those books did a very good job of showing women being empowered in the sense of choosing to use what they had to to survive.  The books that I&#8217;ve read that maybe show heroines more actively empowered by their sold sexuality don&#8217;t feature whores so much as choosy courtesans/ selective mistresses.  Women who have had actual relationships with the men they&#8217;ve slept with rather than a large number of punters.  I&#8217;m thinking here of Sleeping Beauty by Ivory for example. This latter scenario is more morally ambiguous (for want of a better term) and easier to carry off than the former.  I did a post on this some time ago &#8211; link below.  Any thoughts on any particular books with these types of heroines that you&#8217;ve read?</p>
<p><a href="http://tumperkin.blogspot.com/2008/01/classification-5-lady-is-tramp-i-mean.html" rel="nofollow">http://tumperkin.blogspot.com/2008/01/classification-5-lady-is-tramp-i-mean.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 08:17:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never read any of her books and after reading the review and the comments, I don&#039;t think I will.  I am positive I will be driven insane by her storylines.</description>
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		<title>By: Phyl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phyl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 03:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read this just last week and like you, my reaction was mixed. I have to give credit to Campbell for writing books that are outside the norm. I really liked the excruciating moment scene (can I call it the EM?) because of the way Olivia demanded what she called her &quot;birthright.&quot; But I did feel an awful lot was missing. As you&#039;ve pointed out, there&#039;s such inconsistency with how Erith treats Olivia vs. his children. I thought that this book would have been improved had Campbell had another 10,000 words to flesh some of this out. Ultimately, I did like the book, but I doubt I&#039;ll re-read it. Oh, and the jam making at the end? I totally did not get that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read this just last week and like you, my reaction was mixed. I have to give credit to Campbell for writing books that are outside the norm. I really liked the excruciating moment scene (can I call it the EM?) because of the way Olivia demanded what she called her &#8220;birthright.&#8221; But I did feel an awful lot was missing. As you&#8217;ve pointed out, there&#8217;s such inconsistency with how Erith treats Olivia vs. his children. I thought that this book would have been improved had Campbell had another 10,000 words to flesh some of this out. Ultimately, I did like the book, but I doubt I&#8217;ll re-read it. Oh, and the jam making at the end? I totally did not get that.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 00:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Untouched must be some kind of Romance Rorschach test. It&#039;s by far my least favorite Campbell book, although I liked the premise (captivity, go figure). But it just felt so awkwardly written and clumsily overwrought. CtC remains my favorite Campbell book, even though I did not like the second half as much as the first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Untouched must be some kind of Romance Rorschach test. It&#8217;s by far my least favorite Campbell book, although I liked the premise (captivity, go figure). But it just felt so awkwardly written and clumsily overwrought. CtC remains my favorite Campbell book, even though I did not like the second half as much as the first.</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jessica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 22:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Robin&lt;/b&gt; wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;I have been halfway through this book for months now ... The frigid thing REALLY turned me off, in part because it seemed like a much stronger undermining of Olivia’s character than had been done to what’s-her-face in CtC.  It’s one thing to control one’s sexuality consciously (i.e. Claiming the Courtesan) but quite another to be in a sexually-defined profession and be unable to experience any sexual enjoyment.  Although one could argue that neither Olivia nor Verity is as powerful as she claims, I find the heroine who can at least experience sexual fulfillment to be *more* empowered than the woman who cannot and must be cured by her True Love and his great and magical penis.  
One day I’ll have to finish TTD to see if my view changes.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I agree with you. Olivia really is quite unformed, and it was as difficult for me to imagine how this person could have become London&#039;s most notorious courtesan as it was to imagine the hero as London&#039;s most notorious rake.




&lt;b&gt;MoJo&lt;/b&gt; wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;that this author has already used this premise and I don’t trust her to do it right a second time and…why should I?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Until I read T.&#039;s review and these comments, I had no idea how similar CtC is to TtD. But that&#039;s interesting that you liked the middle book.




&lt;b&gt;Kaetrin&lt;/b&gt; wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;But, thank you for your description of the hero’s response to her ultimatum - I’d never thought of that particular act as hygiene before!&lt;/blockquote&gt;


Well, things were different in Regency London. ;)

But I agree with you on the &quot;will I try this author again&quot; question. I feel so incredibly behind. I started reading late and I read maybe a book a week, that I am reluctant to try an author again unless I really liked her. I may do it for an author everyone raves about, especially if it&#039;s a different subgenre (Victoria Dahl and Gena Showalter are two I plan to read more of, but in a different subgenre than I have preciously tried), but otherwise, life&#039;s too short.

&lt;b&gt;Kyra&lt;/b&gt; wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;God, those two. Up and down, up and down. I like my romances emotional and I like them edgy but this was just exhausting.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This is very true. 

&lt;b&gt;Victoria Janssen&lt;/b&gt; wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;For me, the wild emotional surges of the story were what I wanted, and what I got. In media fandom, sometimes that’s called “emotional pr0n.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;


And then you have this other way of looking at it.

My own reactions were all over the map as I read, and I can see readers very split on this book and CtC. This author clearly has something going on.



&lt;b&gt;carolyn crane (CJ)&lt;/b&gt; wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;I enjoyed your review, particularly the discussion of the high concept forcing a framework onto the characters that may not have felt natural. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

I loved that too. Tumperkin always teaches me something.



&lt;b&gt;carolyn crane (CJ)&lt;/b&gt; wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Okay, what does it say about me that I actually sort of liked the galactic orgasm passage? I did, I did!&lt;/blockquote&gt;


Is this a rhetorical question?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Robin</b> wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>I have been halfway through this book for months now &#8230; The frigid thing REALLY turned me off, in part because it seemed like a much stronger undermining of Olivia’s character than had been done to what’s-her-face in CtC.  It’s one thing to control one’s sexuality consciously (i.e. Claiming the Courtesan) but quite another to be in a sexually-defined profession and be unable to experience any sexual enjoyment.  Although one could argue that neither Olivia nor Verity is as powerful as she claims, I find the heroine who can at least experience sexual fulfillment to be *more* empowered than the woman who cannot and must be cured by her True Love and his great and magical penis.<br />
One day I’ll have to finish TTD to see if my view changes.
</p></blockquote>
<p>I agree with you. Olivia really is quite unformed, and it was as difficult for me to imagine how this person could have become London&#8217;s most notorious courtesan as it was to imagine the hero as London&#8217;s most notorious rake.</p>
<p><b>MoJo</b> wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>that this author has already used this premise and I don’t trust her to do it right a second time and…why should I?</p></blockquote>
<p>Until I read T.&#8217;s review and these comments, I had no idea how similar CtC is to TtD. But that&#8217;s interesting that you liked the middle book.</p>
<p><b>Kaetrin</b> wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>But, thank you for your description of the hero’s response to her ultimatum &#8211; I’d never thought of that particular act as hygiene before!</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, things were different in Regency London. <img src='http://www.readreactreview.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>But I agree with you on the &#8220;will I try this author again&#8221; question. I feel so incredibly behind. I started reading late and I read maybe a book a week, that I am reluctant to try an author again unless I really liked her. I may do it for an author everyone raves about, especially if it&#8217;s a different subgenre (Victoria Dahl and Gena Showalter are two I plan to read more of, but in a different subgenre than I have preciously tried), but otherwise, life&#8217;s too short.</p>
<p><b>Kyra</b> wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>God, those two. Up and down, up and down. I like my romances emotional and I like them edgy but this was just exhausting.</p></blockquote>
<p>This is very true. </p>
<p><b>Victoria Janssen</b> wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>For me, the wild emotional surges of the story were what I wanted, and what I got. In media fandom, sometimes that’s called “emotional pr0n.”</p></blockquote>
<p>And then you have this other way of looking at it.</p>
<p>My own reactions were all over the map as I read, and I can see readers very split on this book and CtC. This author clearly has something going on.</p>
<p><b>carolyn crane (CJ)</b> wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>I enjoyed your review, particularly the discussion of the high concept forcing a framework onto the characters that may not have felt natural. </p></blockquote>
<p>I loved that too. Tumperkin always teaches me something.</p>
<p><b>carolyn crane (CJ)</b> wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>Okay, what does it say about me that I actually sort of liked the galactic orgasm passage? I did, I did!</p></blockquote>
<p>Is this a rhetorical question?</p>
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		<title>By: carolyn crane (CJ)</title>
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		<dc:creator>carolyn crane (CJ)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 17:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I didn&#039;t read this book, but I enjoyed your review, particularly the discussion of the high concept forcing a framework onto the characters that may not have felt natural. 

A lot of times they say that if you give a hero or heroine a desire that&#039;s strong enough and put in obstacles, you have a story, it sounds like she did that well, but let it be disconnected to character and world.  

Okay, what does it say about me that I actually sort of liked the galactic orgasm passage?  I did, I did!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I didn&#8217;t read this book, but I enjoyed your review, particularly the discussion of the high concept forcing a framework onto the characters that may not have felt natural. </p>
<p>A lot of times they say that if you give a hero or heroine a desire that&#8217;s strong enough and put in obstacles, you have a story, it sounds like she did that well, but let it be disconnected to character and world.  </p>
<p>Okay, what does it say about me that I actually sort of liked the galactic orgasm passage?  I did, I did!</p>
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		<title>By: Victoria Janssen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Victoria Janssen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 15:55:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I enjoyed it quite a lot, actually.  I wasn&#039;t reading it as a realistic situation by any means--I often &quot;wear my romance-colored goggles&quot; when reading certain romances which you identified as High Concept.  I wonder if the children were given lower status in the book simply in reaction to the fact that &quot;cute, matchmaking children&quot; often take over the story in romances featuring a widower or widow--in this case, they were made subordinate to their parent&#039;s needs.  Not good in real life, but in a romance, which is supposed to focus on the hero/heroine relationship first, it makes sense to me.  Also, I think it underlines that the hero isn&#039;t perfect by any means.

For me, the wild emotional surges of the story were what I wanted, and what I got.  In media fandom, sometimes that&#039;s called &quot;emotional pr0n.&quot;

UNTOUCHED is my favorite of hers, too.  It&#039;s so cracktastic!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoyed it quite a lot, actually.  I wasn&#8217;t reading it as a realistic situation by any means&#8211;I often &#8220;wear my romance-colored goggles&#8221; when reading certain romances which you identified as High Concept.  I wonder if the children were given lower status in the book simply in reaction to the fact that &#8220;cute, matchmaking children&#8221; often take over the story in romances featuring a widower or widow&#8211;in this case, they were made subordinate to their parent&#8217;s needs.  Not good in real life, but in a romance, which is supposed to focus on the hero/heroine relationship first, it makes sense to me.  Also, I think it underlines that the hero isn&#8217;t perfect by any means.</p>
<p>For me, the wild emotional surges of the story were what I wanted, and what I got.  In media fandom, sometimes that&#8217;s called &#8220;emotional pr0n.&#8221;</p>
<p>UNTOUCHED is my favorite of hers, too.  It&#8217;s so cracktastic!</p>
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		<title>By: Jill Sorenson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jill Sorenson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 12:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everyone raved about Untouched, but I couldn&#039;t get into it.  I&#039;m reluctant to try another.</description>
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		<title>By: Kyra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 11:15:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel quite ambiguously towards Anna Campbell.  I didn&#039;t think much of CtC, but later felt more positively towards it because, however else you felt about it, at least it wasn&#039;t run of the mill.  Untouched was gorgeous and I loved it.  And this one ... gave me emotional seasickness.  God, those two.  Up and down, up and down.  I like my romances emotional and I like them edgy but this was just exhausting.

Also I think my passionate hatred for the cover  might have prejudiced me unduly.  Why is that man glaring at me like that?  Why does he want to hurt and violate me?

Loved your joint review though.  And you&#039;re dead right - Erith has weird priorities.  I felt something bothering me when I was reading that&#039;s exactly it.  The disjunction between his care for Olivia and his care for his family is genuinely jarring.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel quite ambiguously towards Anna Campbell.  I didn&#8217;t think much of CtC, but later felt more positively towards it because, however else you felt about it, at least it wasn&#8217;t run of the mill.  Untouched was gorgeous and I loved it.  And this one &#8230; gave me emotional seasickness.  God, those two.  Up and down, up and down.  I like my romances emotional and I like them edgy but this was just exhausting.</p>
<p>Also I think my passionate hatred for the cover  might have prejudiced me unduly.  Why is that man glaring at me like that?  Why does he want to hurt and violate me?</p>
<p>Loved your joint review though.  And you&#8217;re dead right &#8211; Erith has weird priorities.  I felt something bothering me when I was reading that&#8217;s exactly it.  The disjunction between his care for Olivia and his care for his family is genuinely jarring.</p>
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